Hello LVWers,
Lovely work last night! You’re getting quite a splendid sound at times, really warm and rich. It’s a pleasure to hear. I know we’re reaching our summer break but since we have one more session I thought I’d put my arrangement of Drink to Me Only With Thine Eyes up here (same one we did last night) so you could do a bit more work supping on Jove’s nectar if you’ve a mind to. I know sometimes working on these things alone can be productive in a different way than doing it as a group.
Have fun! See you in a fortnight.
PK
Audio – 3 Parts
Audio – Soprano part
Audio – Alto part
Audio – Bass part
oops, hit the wrong button….
As I was saying, the FEELING is different. The 3/4 feels like “1 and 2 and 3 and” and the 6/8 feels like “ONE -2-3, FOUR-5-6”, and if you’re stepping on the strong beats (or banging your partner on the head) you’re stepping twice per bar in the 6/8, and three times per bar in the 3/4.
Clear as mud, right?
Carol
When there are 2 bangs per group of six, you’re in 6/8, as each of the two beats can be broken down into 3 smaller components. That’s why 6/8 feels a bit waltzy. When you’ve got 3 bangs per group of 6, then each bang is only broken down into 2 smaller components, and then it’s 3/4. So, although 3/4 (3 crotchet beats or 3 quarter note beats per bar) has the same number of crotchet (8th notes), the FEELING
But! What are the time signatures that I am banging on about here in 2 and 3?
Hey! That sounds like fun :-))
OK, just try this:
1. Count steadily out loud, while banging a wooden spoon on a pot, from 1 to 6.
2. Now keep the count steady and say the words ‘one’ and ‘four’ louder, as you bang the pot louder. Keep doing that. Then have a drink.
3. Begin from step one again, but this time, say the words ‘one,’ ‘three’, and ‘five’ louder. Notice, that as well as making more dents in the pot, you have 3 loud numbers. In the example before, you’ve only shouted twice in the group of six, in this one, you’ve shouted three times.
4. The counting to six takes EXACTLY the same amount of time, but the accents, or stresses on the beats are different. If you google an online metronome (http://www.metronomeonline.com/) just turn it to on, it will keep a steady beat, and you can shout your numbers to your heart’s content.
5. The stressed beats don’t take longer, they are just louder.
6. Have another drink.
cx
The tempo and time signature really interests me to.
Are you saying, Paul, that in 6/8 time there are 2 chunks in a bar and the pulse is on the 1 of each chunk, as in | 1,2,3, 1,2,3 | – the waltz step?? Is the 1 is then the longer 2 and 3? So 1 is a quarter note and 2 and 3 are eighth notes?
I am probably taking 25 steps back in the discussion here, but also what I understand at the moment is that the time signature can remain constant and the tempo vary…..
What I need to do is listen to the various time signatures so that I can get to hear the difference. If I could associate the differing pulses to the differing time signatures then I think that that would be a step toward my understanding how to read the bar lines. Or maybe I am talking twaddle 🙂
Bye for now…
Wow,
Thats a full answer.
I shall now go and lie in a darkened room and try and absorb it : ) ?
I was counting the intro clicks as bpm set against a metronome and assuming them to be quavers…..
As you say a good topic for a class session.
Thanks again
Richard
Yeah, I don’t program in all the rubato that we might take in the class. I’d be sitting here all night trying to get that right. 🙂 But talking about tempo would be a good topic for one of our sessions. The audio on this one is a bit faster than we do it. About 74bpm according to my Cubase program. That’s if you’re counting quavers in 6/8 time. As we said last night, you should tend to think of 6/8 in its subdivided form, meaning in 2. So the beat unit becomes a dotted crotchet, which gets 3 beats (or quavers) each but in a subdivided time becomes 1 beat.
Here’s a page for you about tempo markings––it’s a pretty good guideline. The important thing to understand is, there’s no solid metronome marking for ‘allegro’, for instance. Instead it’s “lively, rather quick.” There’s an accepted range of beats per minute but it’s fairly subjective.
http://www.treblis.com/Notation/Tempo.html
Hi,
Thanks for the new upload.
It seems more staight forward than I remember it from last night.
Is this faster than we sang it. I make it around 146 quavers per minute ( 73 crotchets ) Does that make it allegro or do you count in crotchets making it adante ?
It would be interesting to have a talk in class about tempo sometime.
Thanks again
Richard
GOT IT!!! I love the subtle chromatics in this piece (hark the musical intellectual here!!!). Loved last night and really feel I am at last getting somewhere, albeit oh so slowly…
See you on 7th… Jx